Yep. Thanks. I think of the millions, billions, who are in fact living in peace as we speak in order to get my head straight when enmeshed in these things.
But sometimes that leads to the troubling realisation that so peaceful are we in fact that perhaps we are even too peaceful.
Our desire to be merely untroubled and peaceful is perhaps what makes it entirely too easy for us to accept the impassioned rhetoric that leads us to don uniforms and go out to kill and be killed.
That's a very 'fair point' indeed. Yep. Apathy is decidedly not the same as 'peaceful'. No. Apathy is like an inert lump. I don't see 'peace' as any kind of inert lump. Not at all. I see peace as a very vibrant thing. I believe you're quite right. ;)
International law was things such as the Minsk agreement. USA and Kiev have their own views of what 'international law is'.
Put all that to one side. The point is people. People and their lives. Not rhetoric and lawyers.
For eight years they fought in the trenches in Donbas and all last year the Donbas soldiers carried the brunt of the fighting.
They did not do that because they wanted to be part of Kiev. They did not have to do that because Kiev was welcoming and loving.
The fact of people - 'people' - is that 200,000 are dead, probably more, because Kiev and Washington will not give Donbas the freedom it wants. Talking history, Graham.
And it ASKED to be part of a Ukrainian Federation and Kiev would not have it. As good American dupe.
You need to put up a good convincing reason why it is necessary for Kiev to organise the killing of 200,000 of its people and the suffering and maiming of many hundreds of thousands more and to invade the Donbas to settle internal problems?
You need to show the profit to the people of all that death suffering and destruction.
You need to show the death, suffering and destruction they have avoided by taking this path.
It is Ukraine by international law. That point cannot be argued.
From my visits to Mariupol, Donetsk, Berdyansk, Simferopol, Yalta, Sevastopol and other cities the people were satisfied with the arrangement. We spoke Russian because I spoke no Ukrainian at the time.
Russia inherited the formidable propaganda machine developed by the Soviets out of the not negligible one of the czars. You need to read your history and examine how you know what you think you know.
It bears repeating: This Ukraine thing—meaning, the US war against Russia—has been a long time in the making, in the planning. Martin Armstrong sets it out succinctly:
The Ukraine War has been in the Planning Stage since 2013
From the beginning, the United States provided $5 billion to fund the Ukrainian Revolution in 2014. The US-installed interim government launched the civil war against the Donbas on US instructions. Then in 2014, Obama signed a bill authorizing lethal aid to be provided to Kiev. Then in 2015, NATO Commander General Philip Breedlove favors military aid to Ukraine. The US Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel, John Kerry, and General Martin Dempsey of the Joint Chiefs agreed.
The West has been planning war against Russia using Ukraine as cannon fodder from the very start. The Neocons are a third party unto themselves. There are both Republicans and Democrats in their ranks. These people want war. They do not know how to exist without an enemy. Communism fell, but that did not matter. It was briefly replaced with the War on Terror. When they hung Saddam Hussein, they looked around and said – Ok who is next? Ah! Russia and then China!
For a USofT refugee you appear to be not that bright!
Arthur isn't in charge, and he's not in your country. He's on YOUR SIDE, doncha know.
Consider that. That said, I can certainly understand your anger and frustration!!! It's horrible over there, there are some of us here in the States that "get it."
And it might not seem like anything (I think the opposite), but I and others I know are sending you and all your people LOVE every day.
Of course he's making SENSE. He's enraged, frustrated, frightened, fearful he's going to be killed... Imagine!!!! When was the last time Americans had anyone invade? We really don't have a clue what that's like, do we? Imagine what he's going through!! And you're going to tell him he deserves it? Or... ??? Can we four people (so far) on this page actually DO the thing and make some PEACE, right here? NOW? C'mon, let's do this.
Not making sense in the matter that he isn't looking at the origin/source of the violence.
And for anyone that knows just a tinny bit of the Past it was/is the USofT (and its european pawns) that started the violence and death in Ukraine, at least since Feb 2014.
So since he just wants russian soldiers to go home and not all the other foreign terrorists it sure doesn't make sense especially if he is a "USofT refugee"! He should know better it seems...
I saw Oliver Stone's movie a couple of years ago, and the shit there started well before 2014, too.
Sigh.
More Yin is needed in this realm of interaction, and less Yang. As Zach Bush would say, a bird with only one wing flies in circles (and I would add: and causes all kinds of stupid behavior).
Oh, aye, but we CAN... When I wear my Human Suit, I'm human enough... ;)
We are trained, guided, goaded, forced, to look to war as a solution. As long as rich men can, rich men will create war for their own economic benefit.
Humans have shown the ability to live in peace over and over and over, but not in recent, Western times and places... The real delusion, as I see it, is that we "can't."
Native folks. Not a lot of white folks. I'd be more specific but I've run out of time today...
I'm not trying to hedge, either, but I will say... I remember generalities much better than details, most of the time. But if you really are interested bigly, ha ha, I will try to find some info. Remind me, if you want! I'm very scattery because much going on right now.
But all that yammer said, there is FAR more warlike shit going on than there is peaceful stuff, and esp. since the American Civil War, when we became a Corporation, and the banksters decided to go for hegemony...
"I see really no one anywhere asking for peace." no surprise at all.
After all degenerate uman animals are unable to Live in Peace, a simple FACT validated by millennia of Uman History.
Simple observation... the USofT is not in a state of WAR (officially and legally speaking) and yet there is no Peace in that land. Everyday degenerate uman animals are hurting and killing each other for this or that. If you sum all these events you can say that the Umans of the USofT are in a state of WAR.
Uman Thought is the MAIN DRIVER for the Division and Conflict and I don't see any signs that we want to Change the way we Think.
So WARS (Conflict) will exist as long as Umans keep Thinking in the manner we Think today.
As for Ukrainistan... The american Terrorists needed to replace the PROFIT SOURCE that was Afghanistan and since they had been working in Ukraine since the USofT sponsored coup of Fev 2014 nothing better than to force the Russians into this lovely Uman Party we have been contemplating since Feb2022!
Well, Arthur, my love, you've just answered and followed your own advice. ❤❤❤
There's a song...
"Let there be Peace on Earth, and let it begin with me..."
Thanks! Glad you're onto it and setting the example. PEACE ON EARTH, it's not just a dream.
Yep. Thanks. I think of the millions, billions, who are in fact living in peace as we speak in order to get my head straight when enmeshed in these things.
But sometimes that leads to the troubling realisation that so peaceful are we in fact that perhaps we are even too peaceful.
Our desire to be merely untroubled and peaceful is perhaps what makes it entirely too easy for us to accept the impassioned rhetoric that leads us to don uniforms and go out to kill and be killed.
Fair point!
Allow me to clarify: APATHY is not the same thing as peaceful. And peaceful doesn't necessarily mean ACTIVELY peaceful, or "peace-MAKING"...
Cheers!
That's a very 'fair point' indeed. Yep. Apathy is decidedly not the same as 'peaceful'. No. Apathy is like an inert lump. I don't see 'peace' as any kind of inert lump. Not at all. I see peace as a very vibrant thing. I believe you're quite right. ;)
I thot I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
;)
International law was things such as the Minsk agreement. USA and Kiev have their own views of what 'international law is'.
Put all that to one side. The point is people. People and their lives. Not rhetoric and lawyers.
For eight years they fought in the trenches in Donbas and all last year the Donbas soldiers carried the brunt of the fighting.
They did not do that because they wanted to be part of Kiev. They did not have to do that because Kiev was welcoming and loving.
The fact of people - 'people' - is that 200,000 are dead, probably more, because Kiev and Washington will not give Donbas the freedom it wants. Talking history, Graham.
And it ASKED to be part of a Ukrainian Federation and Kiev would not have it. As good American dupe.
You need to put up a good convincing reason why it is necessary for Kiev to organise the killing of 200,000 of its people and the suffering and maiming of many hundreds of thousands more and to invade the Donbas to settle internal problems?
You need to show the profit to the people of all that death suffering and destruction.
You need to show the death, suffering and destruction they have avoided by taking this path.
It is Ukraine by international law. That point cannot be argued.
From my visits to Mariupol, Donetsk, Berdyansk, Simferopol, Yalta, Sevastopol and other cities the people were satisfied with the arrangement. We spoke Russian because I spoke no Ukrainian at the time.
Russia inherited the formidable propaganda machine developed by the Soviets out of the not negligible one of the czars. You need to read your history and examine how you know what you think you know.
Talking about HIstory:
It bears repeating: This Ukraine thing—meaning, the US war against Russia—has been a long time in the making, in the planning. Martin Armstrong sets it out succinctly:
The Ukraine War has been in the Planning Stage since 2013
From the beginning, the United States provided $5 billion to fund the Ukrainian Revolution in 2014. The US-installed interim government launched the civil war against the Donbas on US instructions. Then in 2014, Obama signed a bill authorizing lethal aid to be provided to Kiev. Then in 2015, NATO Commander General Philip Breedlove favors military aid to Ukraine. The US Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel, John Kerry, and General Martin Dempsey of the Joint Chiefs agreed.
The West has been planning war against Russia using Ukraine as cannon fodder from the very start. The Neocons are a third party unto themselves. There are both Republicans and Democrats in their ranks. These people want war. They do not know how to exist without an enemy. Communism fell, but that did not matter. It was briefly replaced with the War on Terror. When they hung Saddam Hussein, they looked around and said – Ok who is next? Ah! Russia and then China!
For a USofT refugee you appear to be not that bright!
We could have peace in a heartbeat. Get the hell out of our country!
Arthur isn't in charge, and he's not in your country. He's on YOUR SIDE, doncha know.
Consider that. That said, I can certainly understand your anger and frustration!!! It's horrible over there, there are some of us here in the States that "get it."
And it might not seem like anything (I think the opposite), but I and others I know are sending you and all your people LOVE every day.
Sending YOU a big lot of it right now...
Now you only have to define your words.
Who is to 'get out'.
And from where?
Simple. Internationally recognized 1991 borders. Russian soldiers go home.
What you mean by 'our' is Kiev Ukrainians.
What you mean by 'Russian' is anyone with Russian connections/leanings.
When you say 'our' you include those men in those trenches that you've been fighting with for nine years?
No, you don't, do you? It is not 'their' country is it?
And that's the point.
Where they stand is theirs.
Where you stand is yours.
You've got 40% of theirs.
Settle for that as a good stopping place and stop now.
You're priceless... How on Earth can you be a refugee from the BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD? The land of DEMOCRACY and FREEDOM and CAPITALISM?
By the way the same country that is DESTROYING and USING Ukrainians as cannon fodder just for PROFIT and EMPIRE GAMES?
So it seems that you want american and european terrorists out of Ukrainistan... If not, you aren't making much sense!
Of course he's making SENSE. He's enraged, frustrated, frightened, fearful he's going to be killed... Imagine!!!! When was the last time Americans had anyone invade? We really don't have a clue what that's like, do we? Imagine what he's going through!! And you're going to tell him he deserves it? Or... ??? Can we four people (so far) on this page actually DO the thing and make some PEACE, right here? NOW? C'mon, let's do this.
Not making sense in the matter that he isn't looking at the origin/source of the violence.
And for anyone that knows just a tinny bit of the Past it was/is the USofT (and its european pawns) that started the violence and death in Ukraine, at least since Feb 2014.
So since he just wants russian soldiers to go home and not all the other foreign terrorists it sure doesn't make sense especially if he is a "USofT refugee"! He should know better it seems...
We should all know better, I suppose...
I hear ya.
Thing is, it's good to hear everybody, if we can stand to... ^_^
xo
You're right again... :)
I'm keepin' you around, lol.
But seriously, I AM, because I like your posts! ^_^
Maybe that USoft refugee should read this
https://abrogard.substack.com/p/putins-speech-to-the-federal-assembly
And don't pretend that what is happening today in Ukrainistan started on 24FEB22!
It might even Free his Mind and allow him to have a good laugh...
Yeah.
I saw Oliver Stone's movie a couple of years ago, and the shit there started well before 2014, too.
Sigh.
More Yin is needed in this realm of interaction, and less Yang. As Zach Bush would say, a bird with only one wing flies in circles (and I would add: and causes all kinds of stupid behavior).
My first thought was, WHY go there, of all places??? But I know nothing of his life.
PEACE?!? What's that?
I refer to my comment... https://abrogard.substack.com/p/why-cannot-peace-begin-now/comment/13091647
I know that you being a Dog you look at us uman animals and Think that we can do it! Don't feed delusions!
Oh, aye, but we CAN... When I wear my Human Suit, I'm human enough... ;)
We are trained, guided, goaded, forced, to look to war as a solution. As long as rich men can, rich men will create war for their own economic benefit.
Humans have shown the ability to live in peace over and over and over, but not in recent, Western times and places... The real delusion, as I see it, is that we "can't."
I slave in a Plantation with 900 years of wars, conflicts on the record... So for me "recently" actually means millennia after millennia.
"Humans have shown the ability to live in peace over and over and over" any example you care to share?
Native folks. Not a lot of white folks. I'd be more specific but I've run out of time today...
I'm not trying to hedge, either, but I will say... I remember generalities much better than details, most of the time. But if you really are interested bigly, ha ha, I will try to find some info. Remind me, if you want! I'm very scattery because much going on right now.
But all that yammer said, there is FAR more warlike shit going on than there is peaceful stuff, and esp. since the American Civil War, when we became a Corporation, and the banksters decided to go for hegemony...
Hello Arthur!
"I see really no one anywhere asking for peace." no surprise at all.
After all degenerate uman animals are unable to Live in Peace, a simple FACT validated by millennia of Uman History.
Simple observation... the USofT is not in a state of WAR (officially and legally speaking) and yet there is no Peace in that land. Everyday degenerate uman animals are hurting and killing each other for this or that. If you sum all these events you can say that the Umans of the USofT are in a state of WAR.
Uman Thought is the MAIN DRIVER for the Division and Conflict and I don't see any signs that we want to Change the way we Think.
So WARS (Conflict) will exist as long as Umans keep Thinking in the manner we Think today.
As for Ukrainistan... The american Terrorists needed to replace the PROFIT SOURCE that was Afghanistan and since they had been working in Ukraine since the USofT sponsored coup of Fev 2014 nothing better than to force the Russians into this lovely Uman Party we have been contemplating since Feb2022!